Question:
How are people born gay when identical twins disprove such a notion?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
How are people born gay when identical twins disprove such a notion?
Seventeen answers:
Kedar
2007-02-01 20:26:19 UTC
Here's a hint for future reference: Study and read about a topic BEFORE trying to formulate theories on it.
IndyT- For Da Ben Dan
2007-02-02 00:01:10 UTC
No. There are Identical Twins which are opposite "handed" as well. Twins do not disprove a genetic link at all.









Narth does not "do" research. Narth is Pseudoscience.
shark_315
2007-02-01 20:49:58 UTC
If your going to talk about something couldn't you atleast study up on it first, so then you'd know what you were talking about.
Chipper
2007-02-01 20:48:06 UTC
It's like vocal identification, or teeth... identical twins aren't 100% identical. Eye shape will vary, freckles and moles don't always match, hair patterns differ. That's the simplest answer I can give you! I hope your mind opens up a little! Have a good day!
2007-02-01 20:27:28 UTC
*sigh* Before commenting on this sort of thing -- study genetics.



You can start by studying the phrase "genetic penetrance" -- that should help. At least you will then understand that it does not guarantee any such thing as you assert in your question -- and put you on some of the same footing as people actually in the field.



Regards,



Reynolds

believeinyou24@yahoo.com
okgogeo
2007-02-01 20:26:21 UTC
A lot of research suggests that it's hormonal. Meaning that hormone levels in the womb affect the unborn children and can determine their sexual orientation.
jason s
2007-02-01 20:47:40 UTC
not necessarily. sometimes both are rither gay or straight. sometimes they can be bi as well or just one.
whoknows
2007-02-01 20:43:43 UTC
hope you are not the second of twins or we will have two stupid more on earth...ooo man stop it! ok whe choose to be gay and pervert and we love it...what the hell do you want us to say???
2007-02-01 20:42:03 UTC
Duh, the fact that one twin is born gay and one straight is proof that its in the genes. Imperical, but proof nonetheless.
gitsliveon24
2007-02-01 20:28:32 UTC
Well I'm an identical twin & although we look so much alike we could not be more different. Yes people are born gay just like my sister was born with a stronger take charge personality while I'm very laid back, except when people insult me, my family or GAY friends
Jen
2007-02-01 20:42:57 UTC
There are two different kinds of twins... fraternal and identical. Studies done of identical twins separated at birth and raised by different families show that the identical twins are much more likely to be the same orientation as one another (gay) than individual siblings born of the same mother who were raised by two different families.



This makes sense because identical twins are born of the same egg and sperm. If the egg hadn't split into two entities then only one child would have been born. On the other hand fraternal twins are born of two different eggs and two different sperm. They just happen to be in the womb at the same time.



So the studies findings demonstrate that the majority of "gayness" is biologically based. Similar studies done about things such as breast cancer show the same thing... That identical twins raised by different families tend to both have breast cancer more often than non-identical siblings who are separated at birth. We all seem to accept breast cancer's biological basis, even though not 100% of identical twin females develop it. We've even identified the gene responsible for most hereditary breast cancers. But not everyone with the gene gets it even if they're identical because other biological factors can act on the body in such a way that the gene does not express itself.



All of what I just said is a very simple way of reviewing the research. If you'd like more in-depth answers please go ahead and do some research on your own about genetics and heredity. Not about homosexuality at first, but about other things such as breast cancer or whatever. This way it's about a topic that you don't feel so strongly about so you can have an unbiased mind when reading. Then take that knowledge and apply it to homosexuality and you will see that the similarities between the research on identical twins and other genetic stuff is very similar to the findings of studies on identical twins and homosexuality.



Edit in response to additional comments.



I am a professional in the mental health field. I have just as many qualifications as the people on that narth website that you mention. Most of the diagnoses that were ever in the DSM were blamed on parental relationships or lack thereof at first. Can you believe that the mental health field originally thought autism was brought about by "refrigerator mothers?" Sounds silly now, since we've done more research on it, doesn't it? The mental health field is a social science. As a science it is constantly evolving to take into account new information. Although the mental health field once thought that homosexuality was a mental illness brought on by inadequate family relatinships this is no longer the consensus. This is because we've done more research. I again encourage you to read twin studies on this. You will notice that there is a strong genetic link when it comes to homosexuality. But just like with other things that are genetically based, such as cancer, learning disabilities, and the like, it is not always expressed in siblings due to individual differences that determine whether the gene is expressed or not.



If you had done the research on your own you would have already known that there is no 100% correlation for any complex trait that is genetic. There are high correlations, but nothing that is 100%. If you had done the research you would have known about statistical significance and you would have realized that the results of the twin studies are statistically significant, meaning that the outcome of the study could not be explained by chance.



When I mean doing the research, I mean going to an academic library or paying to be a user of an online academic library and actually doing a literature review. I do not mean picking up the latest issue of Times magazine. It is obvious by the way you worded your question and your additional responses that you have never done a literature review in your life. You depend on articles in popular media and other people's interpretation of the research. Again, go do your own research and become informed through the original studies before trying this question again.
tentofield
2007-02-01 22:34:02 UTC
Left or right handedness is also considered to be genetic but more than one gene is involved and sometimes a gene switches on sometimes it doesn't. Identical twins can have opposite handedness. I am pretty certain people don't choose to be left handed and even so-called Christians accept that handedness is genetic these days yet there is no more or less evidence for handedness being genetic than sexual orientation being genetic.
castle h
2007-02-01 20:27:08 UTC
I know of two sets of twins who are all gay.



I know of other sets of twins where one is gay and the other is not.



Stop trying to insult gays by insinuating that they choose to be gay when gay people know they were born that way. You're just a sad, sad troublemaker.
Zephyr
2007-02-01 20:28:39 UTC
No because there is no such thing as truly identical twins - even their fingerprints are different.
HeartOfGlass
2007-02-01 22:41:13 UTC
Why don't you stop being a ******* prick and leave people alone. If you are this concerned about gay people, you must be gay too.
iraqisax
2007-02-01 20:45:42 UTC
Nobody is born homosexual. We all have free will. We all make chances. Adults take responsibility for their actions. They don't say: "I can't help it, I was born this way."



If it were true that homosexuals were born homosexual, what about thieves? What about murderers? Are they born that way, too? Is anyone actually responsible for their actions?



Think about it.
2007-02-01 22:28:00 UTC
No.


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